An interesting matchup at least in my opinion

[Madman]

So I’ve been meaning to post this for awhile, but I have been so busy regardless I have a question that I think could be interesting.

Which of these would win
Khans Dreadnought (Kelvin Timeline)
Shinzons Scimitar (Original Timeline)

I know both of this ships were purely bred for ultimate destruction so which would win because when you look at each ship and discuss certain points it could be a very interesting fight.

A battle cloak almost perfect vs a ship that can rip through shields, however I don’t know if Khan’s ship would detect cloak I think not, but if we lose the cloak and the ridiculous Thalaron weapon I’m not so sure each ship has quite the firepower against each other.

Even if we had to upgrade Khans ship to the same timeline as the Scimitar i still think the fight would be interesting, however as this is a discussion I’d like to know everyone’s thoughts.



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[James]

Considering they're several hundred years apart from eachother, I'm going to say the Scimitar

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[Madman]

Considering they're several hundred years apart from eachother, I'm going to say the Scimitar

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However I said if Khans ship was upgraded to current times I think the fight would be interesting!


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[James]

However I said if Khans ship was upgraded to current times I think the fight would be interesting!


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You also said however it's a discussion lol

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[Madman]

You also said however it's a discussion lol

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Fair point but if we upgraded Khans do you agree the chances would be better


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[James]

I don't believe so.

It would be down to being picky about what exactly is being upgraded (also is it not Admiral Marcus' Dreadnought as opposed to Khan's?).

You can upgrade the hull, the armament, the warp core, the engine, the shields and you would still have a 200 year younger version of the dreadnought with nothing "new," whereas the Scimitar will have all of it's modern day bells and whistles.

You could remove the thalaron weapon yes, but not the cloak - that's just deliberately trying to change the game so the Dreadnought would have a better chance of winning lol.

[Madman]

I don't believe so.

It would be down to being picky about what exactly is being upgraded (also is it not Admiral Marcus' Dreadnought as opposed to Khan's?).

You can upgrade the hull, the armament, the warp core, the engine, the shields and you would still have a 200 year younger version of the dreadnought with nothing "new," whereas the Scimitar will have all of it's modern day bells and whistles.

You could remove the thalaron weapon yes, but not the cloak - that's just deliberately trying to change the game so the Dreadnought would have a better chance of winning lol.

I mean it was Admiral Marcus’s yes, but Khan was the true master mind of the ship.

If you overhauled every part of the Dreadnought which would rebuilding it from the ground up. The Scimitar regardless would be superior I can totally agree however if we want to totally change this around would any ship truly give the Scimitar a run for its money?


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[James]

I mean it was Admiral Marcus’s yes, but Khan was the true master mind of the ship.

If you overhauled every part of the Dreadnought which would rebuilding it from the ground up. The Scimitar regardless would be superior I can totally agree however if we want to totally change this around would any ship truly give the Scimitar a run for its money?


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I reckon the Voth might have some good answers to the Scimitar

[Madman]

I reckon the Voth might have some good answers to the Scimitar

You make a good point, however the Undine could probably do the same so it would be interesting.


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[Akimalyn2380]

Another thing to consider into the equation: the Kelvin universe was heavily influenced and altered via salvaged tech from the encounters with Nero's ship, which in theory would bring Cumberbun's Vengeance ship tech on par with Shinzon' Scimitar, especially since it's builders (Section 31) don't abide by things like the Temporal Prime Directive...

Therefore, it would be less likely that a Scimitar would win.